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The forum subject were
interesting, but having several
different topics was a bit
confusing. When I went to check
back in the syllabus if I was
supposed to post 3x per discussion
or just overall, the syllabus was
gone from the page and I didn't
know the standard anymore. The How
Forums are Grade instructions,
not the syllabus, was the
place to get forum answers and
were visible throughout the
term. |
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I thought the forums were
attainable if enough time and
effort was put into learning the
materials and responding. There
was a lot of material to keep up
with, which I found to be very
difficult to do with a full
in-class term and a job as well. Please
note: The "full time job" and
trying to take too many
classes is a common theme that
I have noticed is much more
commonly mentioned in my
online courses. |
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8 is too many. Thats more than
one a day. As well as expecting
students to post everyday. Most
students are taking more than just
your class and they work. Just
because someone isnt participating
daily does not mean they are not
putting the needed effort into
your class. Even at
the end of the term, this
student still does not
understand the difference
between forum "points" and
"posts". |
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Although I read the "How Forums
are Graded" doc multiple times, I
still felt it didn't make much
sense in terms of what the
instructor was expecting.
Additionally, the formatting of
Moodle itself, I felt, made it
difficult to clearly see who was
replying to who and it was
frustrating to get 20 emails every
time someone posted in the forum.
I appreciate the discussion aspect
in theory, but it felt like more
effort than they were worth in the
end. I guess the materials related
to what we were studying each
week, but I didn't feel like I
gained much. While I
certainly cannot control the
forum formatting in Moodle, I
certainly wished this student
had contacted me if they were
unsure of the expectations.
On an easier note, they could
have "unsubscribed" from the
forum to keep from getting
emails when other group
members posted or replied. |
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It would have been nice to see feedback either on the posts themselves or just general impressions of the class' discussion via the announcements. It would have been easier to make improvements on forum post quality that way. I feel like it would've been better to space the forums apart a little more than have two forums in back to back weeks. It would give people more time to think about the next forum topic. In principle, the forums are a solid way to encourage class participation |
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The forums did create some really good discussion and generated some great ideas. I felt like one challenge for me was diving deeper without repeating information (this may be a lack of effort on my part though.) If I were to take the course again, I would try and dive deeper earlier in the week to get as much out there as I could for others to respond to. It was sometimes frustrating when you did post something you felt was interesting and thoughtful just to have not be responded to, or if it was, just in the last few hours of the forum. |
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Forums are a good way to get a
conversation going about the
material we are going over.
However there is too much weight
put into these forums. The forums
are much more useful as a
supplement to the material. The
deadline of Wednesday wasn't
the greatest either. I found
myself flooded with too much
material with the reading, videos,
and the separate forum information
and articles. On top of that there
were other classes material that
pilled up as well such as math
with all the reading, videos,
notes, and studying it took to
many hours for me per week to keep
up at a reasonable pace. I think
maybe writing a short paper at the
end of every chapter would be a
huge benefit. Maybe even post
those in the forums instead. I
think after reading the text and
watching the videos if I could
write a page or two of what
happened in my own words that
would be a huge benefit to
solidify information. Then other
students can see what each other
got out of the text and their
different points of view. There
were only four (4) forums in
this class. We did read
and cover a chapter a week, so
I would guess that other
students would not want to be
responsible for writing 10
short papers during the
term. I do like your
idea of "putting things into
your own words"; however, that
sounds like notetaking to me,
which is something I already
expect students to do when
studying any subject in
college. |
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I think because some may not respond we should have larger groups so we have more to respond to. |
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While I understand the
pedagogical importance of weeklong
forum participation, MANY students
take online classes because they
are working full time in other
areas. To presume that those who
posted earlier necessarily
contributed more or had a better
understanding of the material is,
in my opinion, a rude assumption
to make about folks that are most
likely juggling many more
responsibilities than those you
would have encountered in an
in-person setting. Due to my job,
there are many weeks where evening
participation is extremely
difficult due to the demands at
work and my disability. The emails
that went out chastising folks
that had not participated until
Wednesday were gratuitous and
unnecessary, and I felt insulted
by them. I think that if you made
the forums two weeks long it would
give folks more time to post,
especially those that need to
complete most of their coursework
on the weekend. It
always amazes me that some
students are offended by the
reminders I send. If a
student is doing the work on
time, then they could ignore
my reminder. But, there
were some students that were
missing deadlines. The
reminders were mainly for
them. Sometimes I
consider an experiment, one in
which I send no pesky
reminders during the
term. I post the
calendar with all deadlines
and that is all. I can
only imagine the increase in
missed classwork and the
resulting poor student
grades. (Remember, the
fact that I do not accept late
work.) |
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Unfortunately, I was one of the
students listed above. I
took one class too many this term
and it greatly influenced my
grades. I also work in
addition to going to school full
time so I struggled a little on
making deadlines. In fact, I
confused the forum 4 closing time
with another class's deadline and
ended up not posting my responses
in time. I thought about
sending them via email with an
explanation of my circumstances
for that week but decided that it
was my fault for not trying to
make more time. Oftentimes I
could barely post on Sunday.
I think an example of a 3point,
2point, 1point, and 0point forum
post would have been a helpful
guideline, especially on the first
forum because it would have given
people who hadn't taken one of
your classes a heads-up on how
strict you grade
assignments. Otherwise I
agree entirely with the
forums. Also, I just
remembered that on the first forum
I didn't have access to the 8-10
page document everyone else
did. I did all my postings
with the 2 page document
provided. I had clicked on
all the links and everything
remotely related to the forum but
hadn't found the article until you
were in the process of grading the
forum. I'm not sure how it
happened but it was definitely
strange. I felt cheated
since other people were posting
with it. I had just assumed
they were finding more stuff
online. Just thought I'd mention
it since it was so bizarre. That was
strange that you did not get
the materials. I never
had a similar issue with any
other student. As for
taking responsibility for the
other problems (too many
classes, to many work hours),
I GREATLY APPRECIATE your
honesty. |
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I think it may be helpful to get
actual feedback on our posts from
the instructor. Some posts that I
made throughout the term I felt
were worth more points than they
received so I think it would be
helpful to know even more of what
you are looking for and what the
individual students may be lacking
in at least the first forum so
that they can improve and not have
it harm their grade too much. Let this
be an important lesson for ALL
students. If you would
like that kind of
individualized feedback, just
ask. A number of
students Moodle messaged me,
and I was happy to do that for
them. As your
instructor, I am here to help
any students who ask for it. |
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I think the forums are difficult
but in a very beneficial way. They
challenge you to think and stretch
your normal thinking habits. I
think the Wednesday deadline was
reasonable and anyone should have
been able to reach the deadline. I
personally have nothing negative
to add. The forums were beneficial
to my learning and to growing as a
student. I agree
with you, and that is the very
reason I assign them. |
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I found it hard to have new things to say after my original posts because usually most people had the overall same thoughts. |
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Although the forum posts were more than I was used to from previous online classes, I found it helpful to have the deadlines to keep me on track and to help me remember to participate in the forums. |
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The forums which I struggle most
with are the cartoon analyses. I
found this very difficult at
first, but it grew easier as the
term went on. I think overall the
forum topics were well thought out
and allowed students a chance to
discuss relevant historical
issues. The main problem, of
course, is that there often were
only a couple of students who
remained engaged throughout the
week and this created a situation
where I was always discussing the
forums with the same couple of
people. I don't know what the
answer is regarding the issue of
student participation, maybe
making the forums worth more
points in the overall grade would
help motivate people. I feel like
we were still able to have great
discussions in the forums, I just
wish that more students had taken
the time to give some input so we
could call learn from each other.
That is
my hope, too. |
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I think the deadline on Wednesday was tough for me, especially towards the end of the term, because it was smack dab in the middle of the week and I didn't always have time to get around to it. Posting three times a week is super reasonable but the Wednesday things sometimes complicated it for me. One things about the forum is
that, as a student of color, it
often felt like I had to respond
to the handful of comments that
said offensive and almost racist
things. I almost wanted to have
someone be able to step in and
point out how problematics the
original post was. First,
if any student had dared to
make a racist post, it would
have been removed, and the
student would have been warned
and/or reported to the proper
LCC authorities. LCC
does not condone that type of
behavior as it is in direct
violation of our core Vision,
Mission, and Values.
This did not occur this term.
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Even with posting the week before on the Saturday and Sunday most students are most likely trying to get all the work done for the previous week. Especially with forums back to back you are trying to finish one and then have to switch and start working on another one is hard. The forums that required you to actually read the chapter to answer the question took time. To fully get the material read with good notes it took me two days. I would start on Monday and sometimes wouldn't finish till the Wednesday when the forum was due. Although, it was sometimes hard to get the reading time I do think it was important to have the first deadline so people can start communicating and the others who have it done can start deliberating about the topic. |
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I thought the information was well layed out for expectations. I think that having the Wednesday deadline was a great start as it gave people enough time to post without being too demanding (like the proposed rules listed above of a response by Tue, Thurs, Sun). The deadline of Wednesday also gave others enough time to have posts to respond too. |