I was re-reading the article about Buddha, and I had also read on the board about a question that Professor Borrowdale had responded to about Socrates view on animals not being able to feel pain, or "human like". I really found that to be surprising, because for domesticated animals we can train them, and many times become part of our families. Any ways, in the article about Buddha and his explanation about the identity of humanism is very easily relatable to animals. I guess I was wondering if he believed that, or if he would say that it wouldn't include any "non-human". Do animals not have a self, or a self identity? I believe you can tell the difference as a human if a dog has been nurtured in its life, or if it has been abused or neglected. What would Buddha or Socrates believe?