"I wonder if Socrates was what we call a "BS-er" today? But I suppose if he knew something about some things and was able to articulate in a philosophical way...then he was probably more then just a "BS-er"."
--Melinda

I wonder if there is really any such thing as a "BS-er". It seems to me that the "BS-er" is most often used to refer to people who think and express themselves in ways which go beyond the common paradigm, rather than people who lie habitually (as that phrase naturally seems to imply).

"Does the center hold? Yes....because without a center to hold on to...change would drive us mad....so perhaps crazy people have lost their center???"
--Melinda

I would have to disagree with the idea that crazy people have lost their center, while the sane retain theirs. If that were the case there would not be one unified center. The question "Does the center hold?" seems to be a question about a single, unified center, rather than about a set of individual centers, which we can each hold or lose depending on our state of mind. Further, I would ask, does "crazy" imply a lack of touch with an actual, concrete, objective reality? Or do we simply deem those who are unable to relate to the common illusion of a single reality crazy, as an arbitrary and subjective distinction? Or, in simpler terms; Do the insane truly lack sanity? Or are they simply not in touch with the delusions that the rest of the world believes to be real? If the latter is the case, there was no center to begin with, we simply created the illusion of one to give meaning to this otherwise very confusing life. In such case, the insane are actually saner than the sane, since they are not deluding themselves with an idea of reality, just because it's what's commonly agreed on. Or maybe I'm just a BS-er.