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An isolationist-internationalist spectrum emerged as the United States ventured into the 20th Century. Under the Class Handouts link, you will find the HTDF_Materials (htdf_2) you need for this assignment. We will start with just three items. First, read Lodge villain article, then listen to the pro_league speech by the Secretary of War, Newton Baker in 1919. Finally, see how the debate persisted until just before WWII in the isolationism and internationalism article. Consider your own position on the spectrum and discuss the finer points of the historical issue of the establishment of the League of Nations. On which points do you agree or disagree? We will start by discussing past history first, and then I will introduce some new materials, and the discussion can and will move forward to contemporary times. NOTE: Here is some information provided by one of your fellow students. She says about being able to view the HTDF video clips, "The Macintosh computers in the computer lab at the health building are friendliest to different types of headphones. There are only a few, but they tend to be very available before 10AM and after 5PM." |
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Mr. Deale, how, exactly, was Saddam "a great threat to America"? What are the goals of "a war against terror"? |
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| I agree with you on this one Jeremy. you nailed it on this one |
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| I suppose I would have to come down more on the internationalist side of the spectrum, but is there a place on the spectrum that values diplomacy rather than military intervention? Our current administration seems to favor gunboat diplomacy and threats rather than true diplomacy. The "carrot and stick" approach they have taken fails because the carrot more often is forgotten while the stick is used to beat down those who dont toe the line. Consider the fact that the U.S. is deploying 3 more aircraft carriers to the Persian Gulf, The USS Kittyhawk, USS Abraham Lincoln, and USS Nimitz. (http://newsblaze.com/story/20080426120539payn.nb) If these are solely meant for subdueing resurgent anti US elements in Iraq, so much for "Mission Accomplished". However, this action is meant to intimidate Iran over it's purported anti US activities in Iraq and their nuclear program. As yet Iran does not possess missiles capable of reaching US soil. The best missile in their arsenal has a range of approximately 2,500km (1500 miles) (http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iran/Missile/index.html) While this capability clearly threatens much of the Middle East and Europe, does it merit US sabre rattling? I believe a vigorous diplomatic approach involving as many European and Middle Eastern countries, as well as the United States, is far better than engaging in another ill-advised, preemptive war like the one we are engaged in in Iraq. Bring the carrot back and show them that a move away from isolationism and toward international cooperation can benefit all. |
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On the subject of the US being the world's police?....Impossible. Considering the conflicts the US is involved in in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as it's other military commitments abroad, our military is stretched to the point of breaking. Rcruitement levels are far below goals forcing the military to institute stop-loss programs (http://www.military.com/news/article/general-stoploss-needed-through-09.html). While action in Darfur is sorely needed, that action needs to be diplomatic rather than military intervention on the part of the US. The conflict in western Sudan's Darfur region is between non-Arab rebel forces, the Sudanese government, and loyalist Arabic tribesman. These Arabic tribesmen known as the Janjaweed have been attacking non-Arab tribes, killing and displacing them from their lands. many atrocities have been attributed to this group. Although the Sudanese government denies it, they have been shown to be arming and financing the Janjaweed because anti-government forces draw their support from these non Arab tribes. This conflict appears to be along ethnic and tribal lines rather than religious ( http://www.humanrightswatch.org/english/docs/2004/07/20/darfur9095.htm). U.S. proposed sanctions against the Sudanese government will only deepen the plight of the people in my opinion. Vigorous international diplomacy that includes non-coercive incentives for the government of Sudan to reign in tribal militias and improve its human rights record can, and eventually will, win the day. |
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Rick i agree but i dont think it was the biggest foreign policy mistake. The worst is yet to happen and its going to hurt all of us badly. |
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| Im still wondering who didnt benefit from our involvment. I understand that we, as Americans, have our own problems here, and we have always been sensitve of this. The U.S. has committies and organizations already on top of the problems we have I.E. associations for family protection, for drug abuse, for poverty both inner city and rural, etc. the list goes on and on.(http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agencies/index.shtml). The American people have been and will continue to work on these problems tirelessly. However, there are problems outside of this region that need attention, only in these places, their government isnt as willing to fund or even acknowledge them. my question is, why should these people have to suffer these problems? What makes them different than us? There hasnt been a conscription act since 1940 when the Selective Training and Service Act (54 Stat. 885) passed.(http://www.lycos.com/info/conscription--united-states.html). Our troops werent forced into Iraq, they volunteerd. Some of our troops went in for the money and some went in because they wanted to go overseas specifically to help. I disagree with this belief that we are a negative entity in Iraq because some people died. It would be unrealistic to think that in 2008 we have the ability to accomplish what we have without marginal deaths. Im not saying I wouldnt like to see that happen. If it were possible to have the same outcome without any deaths, I would do everything i could to further that method. As for money......you got me there. We are spending an extremely high amount of money. Im not sure what to do there. No matter what we do, nationaly or internationaly, we are going to be spending money we dont have. |
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I agree with you, America does have a tarnished "bad guy" reputation now. I dont necessarily think that our rep is an accurate reflection of how we are viewed by other countries. Over the past 6 or 7 years, we have been making ourselves look bad. All these people that have anti-bush bumperstickers, all the people that attended the anti-war demonstration in Portland, which had upwards of 10,000 people, or any of the others for that matter, all have a adverse effect on our national image.(http://mediamonarchy.blogspot.com/2007/03/portland-peace-march-attracts-more-than.html and http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0117-10.htm) I dont understand how U.S. citizens can think that other countries would look positivley at us if we cant even look positivley at ourselves. We are not the only country with a news station. When people in Russia or England watch the news, they see Americans uniting against other Americans. It makes us look week, unstable and separated. Another prolific negative image media tool that gets used today is the associated press photography. Its interesting to me, that during FDR's admin, the press worked with him to make him look stronger or at least not handicapped. Durring Bush's admin. every picture you see makes him look handicapped. The AP never puts pictures of him up that are strong speaking poses, just ones where is mouth is half open, like he is drooling. Check out the differences between Bush's and Obahma's photos, and tell me that there is no liberal slant on the scale. liberal conservative (John Stewart) I-------I---------------I------------------------I (bill oriely) (A.P.) (unbiased media) |
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As far as the historical question of US involvement in the League of Nations, I must say that I agree with the constitutional argument that the US Congress must retain sole authority to decide whether the US goes to war or not. Getting into a war to just fulfill treaty obligations would not have inspired the American people to have a will to fight and would have caused deep divisions within the country. Foreign military involvement without clear reasons vital to US inerests is a poison to this country....sound familiar? I do however, support the idea that a majority of countries presenting a united diplomatic front against unjust actions by other countries and governments is vital to peace.
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