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Conservatism & Censorship

  
 
 
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Conservatism & Censorship
by Joe Escobar - Friday, April 8, 2016, 11:35 AM
 

This thread is for discussions on the Conservatism & Censorship topic.
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Re: Conservatism & Censorship
by Jake Cleary - Monday, April 11, 2016, 9:58 PM
 

The UC Berkley Article goes into detail about the psychological aspects of one being Conservative- shows fear and aggression. People that are conservative usually are resistance to change and hang onto the “status quo”. Conservatives know what they believe in and feel as though they don’t need to do extra work to justify their positions on topics. I definitely agree that Conservatives do not feel the need to change, and like the installation of past American views. I feel as though Liberals can evaluate the responses because some conservatives can say things or disregard things that are true about them, and the liberals can shed some truth about conservatives.

 

UC Berkley Study and Heavy Metal VS PRMC video

 
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Re: Conservatism & Censorship
by Jake Cleary - Monday, April 11, 2016, 9:59 PM
 

Sapho and PRMC were different because PRMC wanted to censor Rock and Roll while Sapho willingly showed her self in sexual roles with men and in pictures. Sapho would be seen as more liberal going societal norm while PRMC wanted to stay with old societal views and not letting people view the exploitation of drugs and sex in music. Both went to the courts and both got resolved and evidently won. They are both Conservatism because they both didn’t like change. This is a case of optimistic because they were scared that things were going to change, which goes against Conservatives views.

 

Heavy Metal vs PRMC and class lecture

 
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Re: Conservatism & Censorship
by Rebekah Galick - Saturday, April 16, 2016, 11:37 PM
 

This is an interesting perspective on this topic. I understand where you are coming from however, I have to disagree with you. I believe these are the same because both parties were punished to the point they were almost eradicated, and the decision to write the lyrics “We’re Not Gonna Take It” and deciding to create a play with a female lead acting in that manner created the same outrage because Twisted Sister was the Sapho of their days. In regards to why both are considered conservatism I feel as tho there is more to it than just conservatives disliking change. I believe you also have to take into consideration that both parties were interested in keeping the medial modest and under control.

 
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Re: Conservatism & Censorship
by Nicolle Tapia - Monday, April 11, 2016, 10:34 PM
 

For the most part i do agree with the researchers on certain things. For example they say “Disparate conservatives share a resistance to change and acceptance of inequality” And I whole heartedly support this statement because now with the elections around the corner there are some republican conservatives who have shunned muslims as a whole because they believe they are the key source to bombings occurring around the world. They are not accepting of foreign people like the Syrian refugees coming to the United States. 

In the article, a researcher states “liberal appear to have a higher tolerance for change than conservatives do” which I believe is true. For example, with gay rights and accepting gay marriage in the states, the people who supported this to pass were liberals. They were open to change, to making everyone feel like equals without being shunned. Whereas conservatives said that it went against their religion and it was all around morally wrong so they would vote against it. 

I don’t believe it should be limited to only conservative students. This article gives other people who are not conservative the chance to see a different perspective or have a different view on how a conservative thinks and what they believe. 

there is a big difference between the two. Sappho was a poet who wrote explicitly about sexuality, specifically about women. Whereas the PMRC was a committee who worked to achieve parental control over music of their children. but because of the time span there is a societal difference. Before, saps poems were published without problems arising and causing a scene whereas the PMRC would hold hearings and make the issue a huge public problem about rock n roll music being “satanic” and trying to censor the music. 

 

 
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Re: Conservatism & Censorship
by Jake Cleary - Saturday, April 16, 2016, 8:06 AM
 

Conservatives I think have a different view on acceptance. First, they see many undocumented immigrants in the United States. It’s not that most dislike them, but feel as though they should go through getting their citizenship correctly/lawfully. As we have seen in the south near Arizona and Texas, President Obama has allowed the undocumented immigrants to free education without paying taxes. Why do they have the right to use American citizens hard earned taxed money to educate themselves? Secondly, I think Conservatives might see History repeating it self regarding Muslims and Muslim bombings. The main reason people are taught history is so we do not repeat the mistakes from the past. During WWII, Americans set up camps for Japanese people because they feared they might be spies that would hurt the U.S. after Pearl Harbor (that killed many American troops). They might want to contain Muslims because of the list of killings both in the United States and abroad. If they just accept the killing and other attacks from muslims the may kill more Americans, that might upset the country more than containing them.

 

 http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/big-list-of-muslim-terror-attacks-in-u-s-since-911/

 
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Re: Conservatism & Censorship
by Rebekah Galick - Saturday, April 16, 2016, 9:47 PM
 

Nicolle,

In regards to your first paragraph, I do agree with you that the articles statement “Disparate conservatives share a resistance to change” is valid. The final part of that statement “and acceptance of inequality” in my opinion, isn’t valid. However, you made two claims about conservatives with no evidence to back them up. With that being said, those comments intrigued me to do a little research my self. In regards to your first claim involving conservatives shunning muslims as a whole, an article that I came across (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427439/muslims-terrorism-president-obama) did not tell me any statistics on conservatives shunning muslims as a whole, but statistics on the muslim communities view points of the terrorists attacks including the morality factor behind it. I was shocked by the results. “One in three support Hamas”, “one in four supports Hezbollah”, “one in four Muslims believes suicide bombings are sometimes justified”. One of the most shocking statements, in my opinion, is that “more than one in three Muslims worldwide believe that the 9/11 attacks were “somewhat”, “largely”, or “completely” justified (23.1 percent say “somewhat”; 13.5 percent say “largely” or “completely”). 

Assuming your claim concerning conservatives shunning muslims as a whole is true, do you think their shunning is justified through these statistics?

 
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Difference in Opinions
by Rebekah Galick - Monday, April 11, 2016, 10:39 PM
 

I found both the article and the 8 minute videoclip to be very interesting. I believe that even though the article addresses “conservatives”, that the evaluation of the article’s accuracy should not be limited to the responses of solely the students identifying themselves as “conservatives”. As seen on the “Week 1 Spectrum Poll” about 18.3% of the class identified themselves as moderate, meaning that they are neutral and can go different directions on the spectrum depending on the scenario. I think it is important to get their perspective on the accuracy of the article because they can have an unbiased opinion. I also think it is important to receive the perspective of the 40.2% of the class who placed themselves on the far left and radical/communist side of the spectrum since the message is most likely coming from a radical point of view.

 

Some similarities in the PMRC censorship and that of Sapho are that both parties received some sort of “punishment”. In the video under the Censorship and Morality topic in forum 1 (Sapho and Olga Nethersole), it talks about how “the New York society for the suppression of vice proudly reported ceasing more than 19 thousand obscene photographs, 7 thousand circulars, catalogues, songs and poems.” and shortly thereafter went after Olga Nethersole and went through trials to punish her for the actions of Sapho. For PMRC, they were able to get labels on all rock songs containing explicit content in hopes to cease young children from purchasing these albums that are influencing them to do or say wrong things. Both parties to their issues to court. These are both examples of conservatism because they are holding to old traditions and modesty.

 
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Article: Researchers help define what makes a political conservative
by Theodore Pratten - Monday, April 11, 2016, 11:56 PM
 
I think this article gave a decent summary of conservatism, though I doubt that the researchers are conservatives themselves. Their strongest point about conservatism is that adherents to its ideology are more likely to accept inequality, whether it's economic or social: "Disparate conservatives share a resistance to change and acceptance
of inequality, the authors said" (p. 3). They also list "fear" as one of the main psychological traits of conservatism, which I think is correct. Change to the current order of things is probably at the top of their fear lists, although this can be understandable because change isn't necessarily always a good thing.
 
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American Progression, not Progressivism
by Ryan Helmericks - Thursday, April 14, 2016, 12:25 PM
 

Throughout United States history, there has been many movements. Some through the culture of the people and others through politics. In many ways they are just simply blown out of proportion through groups of people. Jazz was considered an extremely disruptive type of music. Yeah, that’s right, jazz. Cultures change, people change, the United States changes. There is always someone that will refuse to change. I believe we are starting to see that in the Republican party right now. The GOP party is led by very conservative individuals. These individuals are watching their voters swing less conservative. At some point, something will need to break. Maybe that will be the election of Donald Trump. 

 
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Re: American Progression, not Progressivism
by Jake Cleary - Saturday, April 16, 2016, 7:38 AM
 

Regarding the GOP party what are we starting to see now? The fact that many people will not change? Not changing is the basis of Conservatism. And how will Trump being elected be a break for the conservatives if knowing their voters are less conservative? He won’t win if he doesn’t get those votes.

 
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Metal against PMRC
by Joe Paredes - Friday, April 15, 2016, 3:47 PM
 

Do you see any similarities or differences in this PMRC censorship example and that of Sapho, which span a period of 80 years?  How are these both examples of conservatism?  Is this a case of optimistic or pessimistic reformers, and does it involve another case of unintended consequences?

 

Sapho and the beginning of the Metal Era is something of the same aspect, but the idea of looking at metal in the eyes of the beholder is taken more into consideration than the days of Sapho. Twisted sister deciding to writing " We're Not Gonna Take It" was the Sapho of their days. In both era's, they tried making examples by taking their ideas of " Bad" and pushing them to the point where they are almost "eradicated" from their days. 80 years did make a difference in time , but not in people. 

"Sapho is a so-called “problem play”, centering on a woman who has love affairs with men to whom she is not married"    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapho_(play)

All rock music was considered "Devil Music" and Sapho was considered "Inappropriate" to the people who viewed it.

They just wanted to express the feeling of not growing up and Sapho wanted to just show something that they believed would be a shock to the public but not to have them backfire and almost prosecuted for such acts. 

 

 

 
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Re: Metal against PMRC
by Rebekah Galick - Saturday, April 16, 2016, 10:37 PM
 

I completely agree with your view on the “Metal against PMRC” and Sapho correlation, and frankly I think you hit the nail on the head. In my post, I too discussed the punishment aspect however failed to state that they were punished to the point they were almost eradicated. I also really like your point about the lyrics “We’re Not Gonna Take It” written by Twisted Sister being the Sapho of their days.  That was an awesome point to make. One point I believe is very necessary to make (taken from the questions Mr. Escobar gave us) is how it is an example of conservatism. I believe this is an important point to make because of the similarity. In my post I stated that they are both examples of conservatism because both parties are holding to old traditions through trying to keep the media modest. How do you see these as examples of conservatism?

 
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